Members present: Roger Dyke, Iain McCallum, Alan (Liverpool) Jones, Brian Taylor (Leader), Pete Walker, Alan Peck, Al Metelko, Trish Cranston, Des Chadderton.

The weather on the previous Sundays walk had apparently been extremely mixed; armed on this occasion with a fairly good forecast by November's standards I was optimistic for a pretty favourable day out on the hill. Al, Trish and Des were likewise optimistic because they came prepared with their climbing gear and we left them at the meeting point sorting gear out for a day of climbing.

Initially the weather was okay but by the time we reached the high point of the walk at 565 metres we were walking in rain with a fairly strong wind. We then steadily descended from our high point on a path that had unfortunately been heavily eroded by scramble bikes. After our lunch spot the weather improved and we had lovely views towards the south west. Pete was suffering from a cold and decided to take a short cut back to the car. Alan, at a latter stage, also took a short cut; I can't remember why. The rest of us completed the walk arriving back at approx 4pm.

A fairly uneventful day; by the time we arrived back the climbing contingent had already left the parking spot. We can only assume that they were rained off their crag.

Thanks to everyone that turned up.

This is the "Not So Wild Wales Walk" for those who could not make Dave Bone's 15 miler, a more civilised 11 miles walk amongst the varied scenery to the north of Llangollen.

Start point: Head for Llangollen then take the A542 towards Ruthin, after approx 2½k from centre of Llangollen take a small entrance road on the right which drops steeply down towards the remains of the Abbey. The road initially goes past some small buildings before it skirts round the side of the Abbey and leads into a field (this field is a camp site in the summer). Park near the loo block GR 206442. Start walk at 9.45am.

Map: OS 1:50,000 No 117 Chester and Wrexham.

The walk takes us over the river and then north through some woods towards a minor road which we cross at GR 208458, we then drop down to a small stream, it's then the start of a steady climb up to Cyrn- y- Brain at 565 metres GR 213492. From there we head towards a minor road at point GR 233491, a steady descent along a small section of tarmac road then takes us back into mixed woodland, we are now on the Offa's Dyke path, we follow the path along the bottom of the escarpment (this is the best section of the walk) until we reach another small section of road. The final section of the walk takes us along the base of a hillock on which stands the remains of a castle which overlooks Llangollen before we head north back to the start point. (If time permits we can divert over the top of the hillock).